Petter ([info]petter_haggholm) wrote,
@ 2005-05-24 16:53:00
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Promiscuity and demonisation

To shake things up a bit, I'm going to write a topical rant. This is inspired by a number of discussions, arguments, and message board threads I have either participated in or read lately, and it has come to irk me greatly.

I think of myself as a fairly liberal person. My basic outlook on life is that it's no one elses business what goes on between consenting adults, and generally, anything goes in my book as long as no one gets hurt by it. When risks are involved, of course, it gets a bit thornier, but as long as people are honest, up front about things, and accept the consequences of their own actions, it's not really that hard to sort out.

Which leads me to the topic I intend to rant about for a bit: Promiscuity. Words like slut and whore (and I'm not even going to get started on the whole stud / slut hypocrisy; let's just dismiss it as idiotic and get on with things), and, a slightly trickier topic (but only slightly), responsibility.

For your information as you read this (not that it should matter), I speak of my moral and philosophical convictions, not regarding my own experiences. I don't have enough experiences to speak of personal experience with promiscuity. However, this doesn't actually have anything to do with the topic at hand, save perhaps to make any readers who don't know me less apt to misinterpret this as justification of my own past.

First of all, let me repeat my firmly-held conviction that what goes on between consenting adults is nobody else's bloody business (with the additional condition, if you like, that no one else get hurt by it, even emotionally; I don't object to open relationships, much as I would not want to be in one, but I don't approve of the betrayal of trust in a committed relationship, much as I recognise how complicated such situations can become—for the purposes of the remainder of the discussion, let us assume that fidelity is maintained, as it is an entirely orthogonal subject). This means that homosexual relationships are none of your business (or mine); it means that acts involving unusual numbers of people or acts that to you seem so depraved as to make you nauseous are really none of your damned business, so long as everyone in it is involved of their own free will and made aware of what the stakes will be.

Second, let us agree—surely there will be no objections here—that just because you personally find something objectionable, that does not automatically make it morally reprehensible. To repeat my example from a previous post, I despise cauliflower; that does not mean that I consider the consumption thereof immoral. As a consequence of this accepting common-sense rule, any of the personally objectionable acts in the former section, being that they are none of your business and do not involve you, you have no right to pass moral judgement on people based thereon. I'm not saying you have to like them, but again, personal dislike does not necessarily have any correlation to morals.

We have arrived at a point in this argument where, unless you wish to pause and contest any of the points or arguments above, we must conclude that any acts between consenting adults, even if they are manifold, are morally acceptable. I see no rationale for holding someone in contempt for having had sex with a lot of people. What, exactly, is harmful about a casual relationship or even a one-night stand where everyone involved is willing? Of any act you deem immoral ask Whom does it hurt?, and if your answer is none, question your initial judgement.—And if one instance is acceptable, then surely another? A third? A hundredth, for the truly energetic out there? If you agree with the former but not the latter, please tell me what the acceptable number is; I'm most curious.

One dilemma does remain, which has to do with hurting—here's the tricky part. I had someone tell me recently that promiscuity is incompatible with responsibility because of the risk of transmitting disease. (Judging from this person's vehement arguing and imperviousness to reason, I suspect that other, deeper issues are the root cause of this judgement; nevertheless it is a fair point to discuss.) How shall we respond to this point?

First, engaging in sexual behaviour means exposing yourself to the risk of an STD, period. There are no ifs or buts. The numbers are irrelevant. Sexually transmissible diseases can be transmitted otherwise; herpes can be transmitted by skin contact, HIV can be communicated through blood transfusions, poor healthcare, from infected mother to infant child; I am no expert on STDs, but I am sure that with sufficient motivation I could dig up plenty of other examples. If we are to take the stance that to expose oneself or another to the risk of contracting STDs is irresponsible behaviour, then only those who are celibate are responsible.

Second, I argue that responsibility is about accepting the consequences of your actions. Yes, engaging in sexual intercourse is, in a sense, risky behaviour, but is it not your prerogative to choose to do so? True, you may catch something and you'll have to live with that, but if you are aware of it, take the precautions you deem proper (unprotected sex with random strangers is arguably compatible with responsible behaviour, to me, if my other criteria are met, but unarguably stupid), and don't hurt your partners, what is the moral problem?

Of course there is an underlying assumption here, and I admit it's a pretty big one in real life: For the purposes of a discussion of pure ethics, we must assume that people are honest and up front about things. In real life, some people are going to lie about their sexual pasts or even disease status, so in practice you have to watch out. But in principle, I don't think there's anything morally wrong even with having sex if you have STDs—why should you be forced to celibacy merely for being unfortunate—as long as you ensure that your partners are allowed the chance to make an informed decision.

Think. Be honest. Be frank. Accept the consequences of your actions, and don't cause harm, or risk to, unless the recipient has made an informed choice. I think that pretty much covers moral behaviour in general.



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[info]sheepykins
2005-05-24 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Umm.. for lack of a better comment, I second this.

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[info]lorriejharris
2005-05-24 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Well said.

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[info]kokopellinelli
2005-05-24 09:55 pm UTC (link)
That was one hell of a conversation, and one hell of an argument on your part. Very well said, I agree, now I want cookies.

But oh noes! What if I have too many and get infected with chocolate herpes or something? That would be so irresponsible of me.

*goes to eat lots of cookies*

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[info]kehrli
2005-05-25 01:03 am UTC (link)
I think you can get something nasty like gonorrhea from toilet seats.

Thus why I never sit. Damned if I'm going to trust a piece of toilet paper.

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[info]apollotiger
2005-05-25 02:09 am UTC (link)
I think that's just a myth. But I might be wrong.

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[info]kehrli
2005-05-25 03:26 am UTC (link)
Either way, my ass doesn't need to touch anything that anybody else's ass touched.

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[info]renatus
2005-05-25 08:01 am UTC (link)
Total myth.

Gonorrhea is not passed through things like shaking hands or toilet seats.

http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/gonorrhea.html

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[info]kehrli
2005-05-25 08:07 am UTC (link)
Well, congratulations, middle school sex ed.

I wonder why they bothered talking at us if it was all wrong @___@

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[info]renatus
2005-05-25 02:03 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea why American sex ed teaches what it does. X( It looks to mostly consist of lies, misdirection, and half-truths... and then the gubbermint goes and tries to make it worse.

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[info]kehrli
2005-05-25 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Well, you can't teach direct information because everybody wants to stick their foot in and make it a political issue.

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[info]renatus
2005-05-25 08:14 am UTC (link)
Your last sentance nails life in general right on the head. It's so simple, it's difficult!

Risks seem to be inherent for everything in daily life, and some of these risks are deadly and can affect others in a harmful or deadly way. Sex is only special insomuch as it incurs the risk of creating another life. Otherwise, one deals with it the same one does with other risky behaviours; one takes reasonable precautions to prevent harmful things arising as a result of the activity, and if harmful things do arise, one takes care of them and alerts others if these harmful things may affect those others.

In other words, what you said!

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[info]deltacow
2005-05-25 12:16 pm UTC (link)
From the perspective of the individual who is him or herself promiscuous, there may in fact be little negative result from such actions except those aforementioned medical ones. However, sexual relations being (as they are) akin to deep physical intimacy as viewed by the bulk of society, promiscuity frequently devalues the importance of sex as seen by others looking at the 'slutty' one (male or female). This can often lead to emotional anguish or feelings of inadequacy which, although entirely the 'responsibility' of the person suffering from them, are none-the-less present.

That all said, I still persist that there is no icky feeling such as when you realize (generally when engaged in those sexual relations) that you are presently taking a tour of the road well travelled.

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[info]petter_haggholm
2005-05-25 02:17 pm UTC (link)
I will not dispute any of what you say, but while it's related to the topic, I don't think it has anything much to do with the morality thereof. The remarks about devaluating the emotionally intimate aspects is dead-on and one argument often cited by those people I object to, but all it takes—or rather, all it should take—is saying "It is an important and intimate bond—to me—not initiated lightly—by me." Unfortunately, of course, most people are not that mature. (In the interest of perfect honesty, here, I don't even know whether I am mature enough to viscerally accept all of my own principles, but at least I am mature enough to recognise that rationally it makes perfect sense, and any failure to accept that is just that: My failure.)

As for roads well travelled, well, as someone who really hasn't travelled a lot of roads of any kind, all I can say is that I expect you may very well be correct, but again, just because something feels icky that doesn't make it morally wrong. Morally acceptable, after all, need not equate personally desirable.

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[info]jonben
2005-05-27 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Although I agree with the heart of your argument I do take exception to your logical progression from cauliflower to morality. As you say 'personal dislike does not necessarily have any correlation to morals'; as the 'necessarily' qualifier points out, personal dislike could very well be correlated to the morals.

example: An adult couple (recently pregnant) decide to induce a miscarriage during the female's 4 month of pregnancy. They don't consider the fetus alive, and hence do not need worry about any harm dealt to it. They are aware of the harm they may be causing themselves, and so this must be moral behavior despite the fact that I find it revolting.

I am not saying you condone the above, but I am saying that the real tricky part about morality resides in that 'necessarily', and reconciling the worldviews of a diverse society. It is not 'always' as easy as 'I hate cauliflower therefore promiscuity is moral'.

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[info]petter_haggholm
2005-05-28 06:51 am UTC (link)
Oh, no—not at all. I do not seek to disprove a correlation between revulsion and morality—I merely wish to provide a counterexample to disprove the notion some people have that personal revulsion always implies immorality. Since I personally find much or most of what I consider immoral to also be repulsive, I would in fact be the first to agree that in what I (entirely subjectively) consider a well-adjusted person, there is often a relationship.

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